tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post3403622476779264679..comments2024-03-27T21:22:03.495-04:00Comments on Dan Shaughnessy Watch: Stirring the PotUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-19985264218604537502007-05-10T10:08:00.000-04:002007-05-10T10:08:00.000-04:00The Dan Shaughnessy Watch, Watch (now under develo...The Dan Shaughnessy Watch, Watch (now under development). We'll read these chuckleheads so you won't have to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-49292813251568411002007-05-09T18:57:00.000-04:002007-05-09T18:57:00.000-04:00Anon 5:51 once again (i finally actually registere...Anon 5:51 once again (i finally actually registered a name), I hope Shaughnessy does get fired. He is undoubtedly a bitter man with an agenda. But he is a columnist, it's not Chris Snow or Gordon Edes writing this stuff (although they are both way too good sports writers to ever even be considered to suck like that). Why Shaughnessy? There is no lack of bad sports writers around here, or even sports broadcasters. Why not Denis& Callihan.com? Shaughnessy sucks, yes we agree. But his job isn't really to make sense. His job is to essentially be interesting. Which, granted he sucks at. This site won't get him fired, you can be sure of that. Hopefully he just lets something racist slip to get canned soon enough. I don't like the way Bruce consistently backs up CHB but in a way I have to agree in part with him. All of the articles dissected on this site are done so with an attitude heading in of "where can we find his errors today?" I really don't see the point of this site. It seems so blatantly obvious from the onset of the logical flaws with CHB's writing that a blog examining them seems entirely unnecessary. Maybe I have just never taken him seriously enough to really hate him that much. You cannot single-handedly place the blame on him for the atmosphere of the local sports media. When it comes to talking about sports in general in the media using things known as "facts" or backing up conversations with actual evidence rather than the flavor-of-the-week knee-jerk sentiment is not popular in the least bit.Dubegedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16615905124048096378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-64420272284739516652007-05-09T10:32:00.000-04:002007-05-09T10:32:00.000-04:00"And the voice message from The CHB himself was do..."And the voice message from The CHB himself was downright hilarious. I'm thinking of making it my outgoing message."<BR/><BR/>Where is this? I want to hear it! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-14853755916771186602007-05-09T10:08:00.000-04:002007-05-09T10:08:00.000-04:00"Bring down a columnist"...heheheI like that.It's ..."Bring down a columnist"...hehehe<BR/><BR/>I like that.<BR/><BR/>It's been great fun forcing the Globe to issue clarifications and corrections. And the voice message from The CHB himself was downright hilarious. I'm thinking of making it my outgoing message.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-58675700987735225342007-05-09T09:48:00.000-04:002007-05-09T09:48:00.000-04:00OB,He used the quote that way because it was a rat...OB,<BR/><BR/><I>He used the quote that way because it was a rather inflammatory statement... Nothing was out of context.</I><BR/><BR/>Shouldn't that be for the reader to decide? By quoting Schilling the way he did and adding the completely subjective commentary he distorted the statement. There was no context of the full quotation in which you can realize that Schilling's thoughts are developing. You must be a miserable person just like Dan in order to be able to enjoy and even defend such hackery and downright venomous writing.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-5142908590475524152007-05-09T09:07:00.000-04:002007-05-09T09:07:00.000-04:00quote: "In order of appearance (and ignoring the s...quote: "In order of appearance (and ignoring the sillier nonsense, such as Globe hates Bush, where a home run ball landed, the Globe-is-doomed):"<BR/><BR/>I guess if you can't refute something, the next best thing is to ignore it and move on to something you can, possibly, refute.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12775107449004277179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-71679003044299147182007-05-09T07:44:00.000-04:002007-05-09T07:44:00.000-04:00I sorry I just don't get it.This is what Schilling...I sorry I just don't get it.<BR/><BR/>This is what Schilling said:<BR/>“It would have been nice to have him, but we didn’t need him. We DON’T need him,” Red Sox ace Curt Schilling said. “It’s May, a long way to go, but I like the way this team is comprised right now. This team has incredible makeup, it’s got great chemistry and I feel like we were a legitimate World Series contender without him, so it doesn’t change my mind.” <BR/><BR/><BR/>This is what Dan said that Schilling said: "We Don't Need Him". He then goes on to call him a blowhard and that the statement was "Stupefy(ingly) arrogant". These are Dan's words. <BR/><BR/>Where in the world did Schilling backtrack?<BR/><BR/>And also, what does the Herald headline have to do with what Dan said. Dan twisted the quote to mean something else from what Schilling said entirely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-5813643531130716892007-05-09T07:32:00.000-04:002007-05-09T07:32:00.000-04:00One more questions OB/Dan: Do you work for the Glo...One more questions OB/Dan: <BR/><BR/>Do you work for the Globe? <BR/><BR/>Simple question. <BR/><BR/>Yes or no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-22064752448318047312007-05-09T04:22:00.000-04:002007-05-09T04:22:00.000-04:00Wow. The Fellowship of the Incoherent.In order of ...Wow. The Fellowship of the Incoherent.<BR/><BR/>In order of appearance (and ignoring the sillier nonsense, such as Globe hates Bush, where a home run ball landed, the Globe-is-doomed):<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 7:50: He used the quote that way because it was a rather inflammatory statement, despite the attempts by Schilling and his apologists to rationalize it. It WAS Page One in the Herald and despite the attempts to backtrack, Schilling said it. Nothing is out of context.<BR/><BR/>Juli La Chuli: The suggestion that a columnist was "cribbing of a front-page headline from across town as corroboration for his half-assed bile mongering" may be the most nonsensical statement ever made. I would suggest that the column was written before the Herald hit the street.<BR/><BR/>dbvader: Excuses, excuses, excuses. Allen made a tremendously insipid statement and has now joined his hero in backpeddling and justifying. Allen's jumping into the tank for his hero is probably deserving of more criticism than the comments of casual posters to a blog, since he seems to have annointed himself as some sort of arbiter of what is right on sports pages (and this from someone who gleefully stole a column title from the Globe.)<BR/><BR/>jim: Yup, Clemens has turned in eight decent peformances against the Hose since 1996. Which is eight more than you were willing to give him credit for.<BR/><BR/>Juli La Chuli @ 2:14: Uber-absurd. Uber-nonsense. <BR/><BR/>mike_b1: Thank you for admitting, again, that the point of the blog lies in your fantasy world that you will somehow bring down a columnist, that the point of the blog is to spew nasty stuff about one individual's work in the hope of gaining widespread recognition, and that every column will be read with an eye to ripping it, rather than intelligently considering the content.<BR/><BR/>I'm not Dan. I never met him. I disagree with what he writes about half the time, but I think the columns are engaging enough to be grand fun. After all, we're talking about sports here. I do, however, find the basic premise of this blog to be offensive in the extreme, to the point where I can't resist making a comment or two when an especially insipid comment comes floating up from the basement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-19607982931792099532007-05-09T00:19:00.000-04:002007-05-09T00:19:00.000-04:00Anon, I don't agree, and not just because I launch...Anon, I don't agree, and not just because I launched this site. "Ed Gold's" repeated send-ups of Bob Greene's work helped set the stage for the latter's eventual firing from the Chicago Tribune. No, Greene wasn't dumped based on "Gold's" (actually, Neil Steinberg of the Chicago Sun-Times) criticism, but he helped shred Greene's credibility and reputation, so when a young woman came forward to reveal a past relationship with Greene, there was no one left to support the hack.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we will be as lucky.<BR/><BR/>In other news, OB's comments are a fairly obvious attempts to divert from the real issue: To document The CHB's repeatedly hypocritical writings and outright mistakes.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-4062935817437730632007-05-08T21:47:00.000-04:002007-05-08T21:47:00.000-04:00It's anon 5:51 again. What I was trying to say tha...It's anon 5:51 again. What I was trying to say that this website is entirely pointless. Great, you read and talk about CHB all the time. I know, I know, he is complete hack. CHB is a columnist, not really a reporter at this point, so he pretty clearly is just attempting to create a buzz. It doesn't matter if he makes absolutely no sense. Do you think Bill Oreilly is on Fox because he is known for his logical thinking? Do you think that CHB is being employed by the Globe for years on end, and they have no idea of his incompetence the one day they stumble upon this site and go "Hey...wow I NEVER NOTICED...Shaughnessy sucks, well i guess he gets the can now." It's bizarre why he in the position he is, but then again why do Bill Plasche and Mike Celzic (aka Hat Guy) have jobs? It's sports writing, this isn't coverage of Iran we're talking about. <BR/> And OB, we all know the players aren't perfect. We all know our teams aren't perfect. But what is wrong with blindly supporting a sports team? Humans have a real tendency to stray towards total, radical devotion, so isn't sports a decent way to channel it? And all this blind proclaimed ignorance in support of our local crews, I think you may stray a bit towards that in your defenses of CHB. Maybe I am just a little too removed, but I see the current atmosphere of sports coverage entirely excessive. It creates false stories and ruins the game. The steroid coverage, that is something important but again that is not something that falls just into the realm of sports anymore. I don't really see why you feel the need to defend a sports writer with such fervor or why you attack people for blindly supporting a sports team, when support of a certain sports team is entirely subjective in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-65868981985184691332007-05-08T14:18:00.000-04:002007-05-08T14:18:00.000-04:00And why not add Der Hauptverlierer Dan to his burg...And why not add Der Hauptverlierer Dan to his burgeoning list of nicknames, since it flows about as mellifluously as his prose.Juli La Chulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224630762638524169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-24491109127603539772007-05-08T14:14:00.000-04:002007-05-08T14:14:00.000-04:00If Obtuse Bruce uses "uber-" anywhere, he is defin...If Obtuse Bruce uses "uber-" anywhere, he is definitely caught out. You can look it up, but I heard somewhere that uber means super and you can put it before just about any word to show you are hip to many of the expressions of the late 1980s.Juli La Chulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224630762638524169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-24491614213369042482007-05-08T13:35:00.000-04:002007-05-08T13:35:00.000-04:00it is kind of funny how Obtuse Bruce uses the same...it is kind of funny how Obtuse Bruce uses the same phrases over and over ... just like CHB himself! Coincidence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-73124752669924549842007-05-08T13:06:00.000-04:002007-05-08T13:06:00.000-04:00O/B posted:Apparently think that we are supposed t...O/B posted:<BR/><BR/>Apparently think that we are supposed to root, root, root for the home team, any skewering of athletes and teams is an act of treason<BR/><BR/>That "root, root, root" or "love, love, love" reference that Bruce has used several times is coming to the same level as "Grey Poupon". If you don't know what it means look it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-52279635910798008162007-05-08T12:16:00.000-04:002007-05-08T12:16:00.000-04:00Hey Objective Dan, So I'm ignorant because I root,...Hey Objective Dan,<BR/><BR/> So I'm ignorant because I root, root, root for the home team? Sue me, you nappy-headed sports ho. But that's it, right? You want everybody to be as f*cked up and miserable as you? Sorry. My life is pretty good, my sports teams, except for the Suck-tics, do pretty well. I'm cool with it all. Why aren't you? Dude, I'm not a shrink, but you just don't like your job, you don't like your life. It shows, it shows a lot. I think you're in denial about this, but at the same time, the way you write screams unhappiness. Not with us, not with the Red Sox, but with yourself. Talk to somebody, truly. I'm sure you'll make fun of this post, but my friend, you know I'm right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-67050623578940005752007-05-08T11:33:00.000-04:002007-05-08T11:33:00.000-04:00Can you blame Shank? Roger Clemens is going to ma...Can you blame Shank? Roger Clemens is going to make his job that much easier this year. His columns will virtually write themselves (not that they don't already).<BR/><BR/>Good shot across the bow of 38Pitches. Take what a guy said as a vote of confidence in his team and turn it into a Roger slam. Globe writers taking things out of context to suit their own agenda?...I'm shocked!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-81850845903835257162007-05-08T08:56:00.000-04:002007-05-08T08:56:00.000-04:00OB - Eight games since 1996? Is that ALL there is?...OB - <BR/><BR/>Eight games since 1996? Is that ALL there is? <BR/><BR/>To that end, he has had ONE playoff game, against the Sox that he performed accordingly so well to win. And yet you fail to mention the 2003 ALCS game 7 performance in which he was drivin out of and the 99 ALCS game where he was gone by the third inning. Name another, against any team that he performed at the level of say Schilling or Lowe or even Pedro? A game on the line. A game where it counted. <BR/><BR/>This guy ASKED OUT of game 6 in 1986, because of a damn BLISTER. Schilling had sutures in his leg and still pitched the game of his life.<BR/><BR/>I loved this guy when he was here in Boston, but I also hated his prima donna attitude and his selfish considerations. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, when he went to the Blue Jays he NEVER once mentioned Boston and its fans. Never thanked the team that gave him the chance to do what he loves. He is probably going to have a Yankee logo on his cap in the HOF, but we all know that a dollar sign should be there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00877974210359174548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-23125414827214268742007-05-08T08:47:00.000-04:002007-05-08T08:47:00.000-04:00Ob,As Bruce Allen points out, The Herald didn't ca...Ob,<BR/>As Bruce Allen points out, The Herald didn't call Schilling arrogant or a blowhard in reporting the quote. Big difference. <BR/><BR/>I would appreciate if you could once engage other posters on substantive issues instead of spraying insults and tired cliches about basements.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-5593307892967460192007-05-08T08:25:00.000-04:002007-05-08T08:25:00.000-04:00Bruce, in what way are you objective? All you are ...Bruce, in what way are you objective? All you are is a CHB apologist whose purpose in life is to antagonize bloggers who share a common viewpoint. Get lost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-8765606340249801642007-05-08T07:56:00.000-04:002007-05-08T07:56:00.000-04:00What is Obtuse Bruce's obsession with basements? I...What is Obtuse Bruce's obsession with basements? Is that where he was molested as a child or is that where The Globe keeps its jurassic park? He does supply a pretty steady stream of unintended irony, though; using Dan's cribbing of a front-page headline from across town as corroboration for his half-assed bile mongering. And yes, we are supposed to casually root, root, root for the home team without giving it too much importance, as opposed to inflicting all of our gut-wrenching socioeconomic hang-ups and accumulated slights on people just looking to kill some time with their breakfast.Juli La Chulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224630762638524169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-71506025386383331892007-05-08T07:50:00.000-04:002007-05-08T07:50:00.000-04:00Bruce thank you very much for answering my questio...Bruce thank you very much for answering my question about what Dan meant by using the Schilling quote. It was concise and now I can actually see why Dan used it in that way. <BR/><BR/>No, wait a minute, I can't. That's because you once again avoided answering the question head-on like you always seem to do. That quote that was used was by Shaughnessy. I didn't even look at the Herald.<BR/><BR/>Now please, when a poster asks you a direct question about a quote, I would love to here your answer. Part of the reason for reading this blog is to here everyone's opinions on the matter, even yours. Could you please just give me a straight answer on why you think Dan used the quote this way? That's all I'm asking for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-67694725160137895672007-05-08T06:45:00.000-04:002007-05-08T06:45:00.000-04:00Quote: 'Events must be shoe-horned to fit the agen...Quote: 'Events must be shoe-horned to fit the agenda that emerges from the basement, and that agenda is to confirm pre-conceived notions about every column he writes.'<BR/><BR/>Haha. Funny. Kinda like The Globe and how they 'shoe-horn' everything into their 'Bush is Bad' agenda. Don't get all 'high-and-mighty' about 'agendas' when The Globe is Exhibit A of same.<BR/><BR/>***************<BR/><BR/>The wheels are falling off the wagon on Morrissey Boulevard. Clearly. A couple weeks ago Ryan remarked after the Four-home-runs-in-a-row episode that Manny's shot landed a few rows in front of the Volvo sign. The idiot. Manny's ball soared over the sign and into the street beyond. Now Nappy-Hair is saying that Roger was on the horse.<BR/><BR/>I guess that precipitous drop in ad revenues and paid readership at The Globe has cost them a few 'fact checkers.' But then again, why let facts get in the way of a good agenda?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12775107449004277179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-75622798835731424852007-05-08T06:11:00.000-04:002007-05-08T06:11:00.000-04:00The columnist does seem to have confused Clemens' ...The columnist does seem to have confused Clemens' horse ride with that of Boggs. Clemens mounted up in 1986 and rode out to right field after he beat the Angels for the Pennant. But then I have never been one to spend much time watching Yanqui victory celebrations.<BR/><BR/>It's good to see that some of the knee-jerk haters managed to emerge from the basement long enough to check out Page One of the Monday Herald. This quote that Shaughnessy is being roasted for using was the front page hed. If there had been no Shaughnessy column Monday, would the self-appointed media reviewers have jumped all over the Herald about its hedline? Not a chance. Events must be shoe-horned to fit the agenda that emerges from the basement, and that agenda is to confirm pre-conceived notions about every column he writes.<BR/><BR/>Apparently think that we are supposed to root, root, root for the home team, any skewering of athletes and teams is an act of treason.<BR/><BR/>It is a parade of the ignorant.<BR/><BR/>As for Curt Schilling, he is one of the all-time phonies who works the camera as well as any politician ever did, but because he's one of Our Heroes, we're supposed to buy into it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-45334150923722103682007-05-08T00:46:00.000-04:002007-05-08T00:46:00.000-04:00I agree with the previous poster. There are aspect...I agree with the previous poster. There are aspects of this column that suck.<BR/> It sucks that Mr. Shaughnessey is so unprofessional, arrogant and downright weird that he generates a blog like this.<BR/> It sucks that there are so many sports fans in the Boston area (and, I assume, beyond it) that are so frustrated by this man that they feel they have to have a forum like this to vent their collective spleens.<BR/> It sucks that CHB was once a columnist that many in Boston felt represented them, a writer that was close to the pulse of Boston sports, and now is an angry, bitter and lazy, hack. (And if he's not lazy, then the medication needs strengthening: It was Wade Boggs that rode the horse!)<BR/> Indeed, it sucks that Boston sports fans, who love sports as much as or more than fans in most other cities, have a great paper like the Globe that has a sports section that is now the laughingstock of New England sports departments. <BR/> That's what sucks about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com