tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post116369079657313146..comments2024-03-27T21:22:03.495-04:00Comments on Dan Shaughnessy Watch: Dan, RehashedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169903189669489792007-01-27T08:06:00.000-05:002007-01-27T08:06:00.000-05:00DBI really look forward to teaming up with you. L...DB<BR/><BR/>I really look forward to teaming up with you. Lets see if we can make this happen<BR/><BR/>Dave MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169868929528280102007-01-26T22:35:00.000-05:002007-01-26T22:35:00.000-05:00ChiefI sent you an email. I even gave a first sta...Chief<BR/><BR/>I sent you an email. I even gave a first stab at a column - please see what you think<BR/><BR/>Dave MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169838470568909942007-01-26T14:07:00.000-05:002007-01-26T14:07:00.000-05:00Dave M and db, send me an email to thechbblows@yah...Dave M and db, send me an email to thechbblows@yahoo.com. Thanks.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169837395367353192007-01-26T13:49:00.000-05:002007-01-26T13:49:00.000-05:00Dave M:I'm in. The site has to continue after it ...Dave M:<BR/>I'm in. The site has to continue after it was mentioned in the Phoenix. <BR/>"Stop listening. Stop reading. Write letters and ask for offensive on-air “talent” to be fired. Support the city’s good sportswriters — Edes, Ryan, Silverman — and keep tabs on the bad ones at Boston Sports Media Watch and Dan Shaughnessy Watch."<BR/><BR/>http://www.thephoenix.com/Article.aspx?id=31854&page=3<BR/><BR/>dbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169784400784935832007-01-25T23:06:00.000-05:002007-01-25T23:06:00.000-05:00Anon552 and Chief:I would love to do 1-2 reviews a...Anon552 and Chief:<BR/><BR/>I would love to do 1-2 reviews a week in an effort to bring this site back. If you are willing to do a couple, we may be in good shape <BR/><BR/>Would like to think I can do it justice.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Dave MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169765541617170762007-01-25T17:52:00.000-05:002007-01-25T17:52:00.000-05:00Anon 9:20If you want, I will join up with you. Le...Anon 9:20<BR/><BR/>If you want, I will join up with you. Let me know in the comments and contact the chief. I will contact him also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169611390642823622007-01-23T23:03:00.000-05:002007-01-23T23:03:00.000-05:00It is horrid isnt it Bruce? Your one of my favorit...It is horrid isnt it Bruce? Your one of my favorites too.<BR/><BR/>I thought it was a cheap shot at Bob Ryan and uncalled for but that is consistent with CHB's shtickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169298926130075532007-01-20T08:15:00.000-05:002007-01-20T08:15:00.000-05:00How horrid that someone would take a "swipe" at on...How horrid that someone would take a "swipe" at one of your favorites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1169049284269144572007-01-17T10:54:00.000-05:002007-01-17T10:54:00.000-05:00If someone wants to relaunch this site, I'd be mor...If someone wants to relaunch this site, I'd be more than happy to turn over the keys.<BR/><BR/>And yes, The CHB <I>and</I> Ryan took shots at each other in their Patriots-Chargers preview columns. It's an ongoing feud.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1168914033883304112007-01-15T21:20:00.000-05:002007-01-15T21:20:00.000-05:00I would love to see the site reactivated. CHB's p...I would love to see the site reactivated. CHB's prediction column on the Pats-Chargers game took what I believed to be a swipe at Bob Ryan who is one of my favorites. Curious as to whether others felt the same (the line where he says Ryan ought to be on TV)...shut up you twit...you ought not to be in the paper<BR/><BR/>I am willing to team up with anyone who would like to start a new CHB critical blog - anyone? anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1168275513069294982007-01-08T11:58:00.000-05:002007-01-08T11:58:00.000-05:00This last week of Shaughnessy columns scream for t...This last week of Shaughnessy columns scream for this site to be brought back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165886236300468912006-12-11T20:17:00.000-05:002006-12-11T20:17:00.000-05:00OK, I guess this knee-jerk reaction leads one to s...<I>OK, I guess this knee-jerk reaction leads one to see things in a Ryan interview that just aren't there. Where is the reference to Shaughnessy? Damned if I can find it. Maybe you just imagined it was there.</I><BR/><BR/>Bruce, <BR/>For once accept things for as they are instead of as how you want them to be. Ryan was talking about columnists who write their pieces before the end of the game. There are only a handful of columnists in Boston, and Shank fits Ryan's description to a tee. Further, you fail to address my second point. Why does Ryan write game columns and Shanknasty write warmed over history lessons that he could have written months before? Your help on this question would help a lot.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165852626970088462006-12-11T10:57:00.000-05:002006-12-11T10:57:00.000-05:00Thanks, Chief. And I can't say I blame you for bol...Thanks, Chief. And I can't say I blame you for bolting. I loved this blog at first and made the snarky summations of Dan's latest "output" daily reading. <BR/>But after awhile it just became tedious. And it must have been 10 times worse for you, since you had to read the entire columns. <BR/><BR/>Godspeed, friend. Godspeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165540578258841622006-12-07T20:16:00.000-05:002006-12-07T20:16:00.000-05:00FWIW, I'm basing my 'mood' comments on anecdotes a...FWIW, I'm basing my 'mood' comments on anecdotes and quotes from Seth Mnookin's book. I gave it to my dad to read, or I'd excerpt some.<BR/><BR/>Chief, the Sox's 2B & SS range factor (PO+A/9) is below league average for 2004, so that lends credence to your argument. I'll buy it. And there's no arguing that the pitching was wicked that year, and that was the greatest component of their success.<BR/><BR/>But the conventional wisdom at the time of the trade was that the Sox needed to upgrade defensively. What was Theo's comment? The team, as it was, "wasn't built to win"? I am not questioning Nomar's greater contribution with the bat, but I submit that the 2004 Red Sox offense needed that bat less than the defense needed Cabrera's glove.<BR/><BR/>God, this is why I love baseball :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165501938707908192006-12-07T09:32:00.000-05:002006-12-07T09:32:00.000-05:00Shawn, I don't think you are looking at the data c...Shawn, I don't think you are looking at the data correctly. A difference of 1 or 2 errors per season is absolutely meaningless. It could be accounted for a variety of ways, including differences in scoring. <BR/><BR/>Re Nomar's defense, he was without a doubt the worst fielding SS in the majors at that point. But did Cabrera make a difference? No. Recall that the Sox had Pokey Reese that year, and he was coming off the DL right as Nomar was traded. Consider also, that the Sox pitching staff was 2d in the AL in strikeouts and some 100 K's above the median. (Translated: 100 Ks is the same as playing 3.7 games where the defense doesn't even touch the ball.) This was a team built on preventing teams from putting the ball into play (they were also 3d in the league in fewest walks allowed, just 2 behind the no. 2 team).<BR/><BR/>This is why the Sox led the league in BA-against by some 7 points. They didn't lead the league in pitching simply because OC played 1/3 of the season at SS.<BR/><BR/>To be fair, Cabrera was an out machine -- at bat. had an OBP of .320 during his 58 games with the Sox. Nomar's was .367 when traded, and .364 in the 43 games he played for the Cubs after the deal. Whatever Nomar gave up in the field, he more than made up for it at the plate. <BR/><BR/>Finally, there's no way to prove/disprove the effect of Nomar's departure on the clubhouse. It's absolute conjecture.<BR/><BR/>As for whether Renteria is a better SS than Cabrera, there's no question: he was in 2004, and he is today.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165472908499947332006-12-07T01:28:00.000-05:002006-12-07T01:28:00.000-05:00Not offensively, Chief, but I doubt the Sox were g...Not offensively, Chief, but I doubt the Sox were going to win anything with Nomar playing short. Nomar had 6 errors in 37 games to OCab's 8 in 57. Fielding % was nine points higher, and his range factor, while still below league average, was a DAMN sight better than Nomar's (4.12 to 3.85). [all baseball-reference.com]<BR/><BR/>OCab was a defensive upgrade, which is what the Sox needed. He was also an attitude upgrade, as Nomar was dragging the mood in the clubhouse down. Do I resent Nomar for it? Not really. He was a special, special player once, and I'm grateful I got to see him rake. I hope he wins a ring. And I've got nothing against Orlando, either, but for the money he was making, he wasn't worth it. <BR/><BR/>Bruce: Was Renteria a mistake? Theo's the first that'll tell you it sure ended up that way. Dude was hurt, and his slow start plus reticent demeanor soured the fans on him and he never recovered that season. But I wouldn't want Cabrera over Renteria. Bruce, tell me why you would. The defense? Look at the numbers, man. OCab had an out of character season in 2005, and so did Renteria. From 2001 to 2006, Cabrera averaged 16 errors a season, and Renteria averaged 18. If you take out 2005, then Cabrera jumps to 17.8 errors a season and Edgar falls to 16.6. Range factor per 9 kind of jumps around, but Edgar comes out ahead. So Edgar's making less errors while usually getting to more balls than Cabrera. I'm sorry, but I just don't think you can convince me that he was the wrong SS to sign based on what we knew at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165365048490486872006-12-05T19:30:00.000-05:002006-12-05T19:30:00.000-05:00What did the Angels do with Cabrera that the Red S...What did the Angels do with Cabrera that the Red Sox didn't without him? <BR/><BR/>That's what I thought.<BR/><BR/>The numbers don't lie: Cabrera sucked. He made absolutely no difference in the Red Sox' 2004 run. And he would have made absolutely no difference the two seasons since.mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165319687665858042006-12-05T06:54:00.000-05:002006-12-05T06:54:00.000-05:00OK, I guess this knee-jerk reaction leads one to s...OK, I guess this knee-jerk reaction leads one to see things in a Ryan interview that just aren't there. Where is the reference to Shaughnessy? Damned if I can find it. Maybe you just imagined it was there.<BR/><BR/>And you know what? For a defending championship team, I'll take a shortstop who makes 7 errors in a season over one who makes 30. But then, I don't luv, luv, luv Theo.<BR/><BR/>I'll let the confoundingly idiotic remark about facts "getting in the way of a good racial smear" speak for itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165111179426084082006-12-02T20:59:00.000-05:002006-12-02T20:59:00.000-05:00Where are you guys?I thought Dan's criticism of OJ...Where are you guys?<BR/><BR/>I thought Dan's criticism of OJ Simpson this morning was oh-so-brave. It really takes a brave writer to take a stand against that guy. Definitely not a writer just trying to hit his word count in a mail-it-in "Emptying out the Desk Drawer" column.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1165015233920130352006-12-01T18:20:00.000-05:002006-12-01T18:20:00.000-05:00the chief,CHB-hating nation turns their lonely eye...the chief,<BR/>CHB-hating nation turns their lonely eyes to you. A completely meaningless hypothetical used simply to trot out his usual targets with lame jokes and references? It is begging for your editorial.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1164769188376595602006-11-28T21:59:00.000-05:002006-11-28T21:59:00.000-05:00I have more material attacking Shank's latest irre...I have more material attacking Shank's latest irrelevant mention of country clubs. <BR/><BR/>Plus, I want to get on Deadspin. Me and you, OB. <BR/><BR/>Please, I just want to piss off OB one more time.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1164484336322631932006-11-25T14:52:00.000-05:002006-11-25T14:52:00.000-05:00I nominate dbvader to be the new blogger of this s...I nominate dbvader to be the new blogger of this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1164482172006211702006-11-25T14:16:00.000-05:002006-11-25T14:16:00.000-05:00As for columns alleged to be written in the fifth ...<I>As for columns alleged to be written in the fifth inning, sometimes material must be filed before a game is over -- or even before it starts -- to make presstime for certain editions. Some of the commentators on this site, lacking both common sense and any understanding of how the media operate, often parade their ignorance in this regard -- especially when they completely miss columns as with the baseball classic piece.</I><BR/><BR/>OB,<BR/>You are the one parading your ignorance. First, Danny boy was being criticized by his colleague. Don't you think Ryan knows what he is talking about?<BR/><BR/>Second, go back to the WS coverage in the Globe. Ronald McDonald's bastard son handed in two game columns with a paragraph of game coverage. Ryan working on the same deadlines and longer games, was able to hand in columns about the game itself and not some warmed over history lesson. <BR/><BR/>You continue to display blind devotion to a writer who doesn't give a damn. Everybody except you and Joe Sullivan understands this fact.dbvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16313968008498094004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1164473681460757352006-11-25T11:54:00.000-05:002006-11-25T11:54:00.000-05:00So am I to believe that it is okay for a column to...So am I to believe that it is okay for a column to be written in the fifth inning of a game when the writer is being paid to watch the whole thing?<BR/><BR/>It is according to OB.<BR/><BR/>When you put it in those terms, Bruce, it seems to me that "The Writer" is far more concerned with making deadlines- which leads to him getting paid- than by actually being a good writer about what is going on.<BR/><BR/>Seems like a pretty serious indictment of Shaughnessy to me. But then again, what do I know? I'm just a fan who "Hero worships" and is "Jock sniffing" Manny. It's not like I'm the target audience that Shank should be writing too.<BR/><BR/>Oh wait a minute, yes I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17263668.post-1164472869139326642006-11-25T11:41:00.000-05:002006-11-25T11:41:00.000-05:00For the record, the first time Manny missed two ga...For the record, the first time Manny missed two games in a row the entire season was Aug. 24-25, and at that point he had played in 122 of the team's 128 games. At that point the Sox were 5.5 games out of first and the season was effectively over.<BR/><BR/>And when he sat down more or less for good a week later, the team was 8 games out. Manny didn't quit on the team; the team was toast.<BR/><BR/>But of course, it's Manny's fault!<BR/><BR/>But somehow -- although he never names any names -- Dan is certain the players, coaches and management thinks Manny quit on them. Never mind that no one -- no one -- has said a word on or off the record. <BR/><BR/>In most places, that's called slander.<BR/><BR/>Don't let the facts get in the way of a good racial smear. You and Dan still own slaves, OB?mike_b1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03887169120483500989noreply@blogger.com